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so this isn't anything that just is

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limited to the united states it's a

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hi everyone and welcome back to that ufo

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podcast the other show we are on kg ra

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right now welcome to my co-host dan how

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are we

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i'm great thank you how are you andy i

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am fantastic and i said broadcasting

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correct on the second goal

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dan listen big show for us today we were

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allowed back for a second show which is

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always good

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after one thank you to everyone who has

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watched it was amazing to see the

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numbers of you that checked us out on

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the first show and i hope you've all

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come back again for the second hello to

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everyone in the live chat just now

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myself and dan i'll be there to chat to

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you uh on the show tonight we have an

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upcoming interview with tim mcmillan who

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is one of the co-founders of the debrief

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very well known and very well respected

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journalist as well and we'll be sharing

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our thoughts after discussing with tim

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the recent event in san marino project

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titan and all that encompasses that uh

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before that then i want to get to some

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news that's happened within the last

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week or so and that that news broke

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regarding the bills that are currently

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going through the senate um do you want

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to just bring the listeners up today or

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the viewers what's happening regarding

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the bills

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yeah sure so

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for the first time in in history or for

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the second year in a row where we're

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getting some actual legislation going

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through the the us government

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um to be signed into law um this year is

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the first time it's been explicitly

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mentioned in the bills as unidentified

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aerial phenomena um so so that's kind of

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exciting to get that first but basically

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just after the preliminary uaptf report

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was published we had the intelligence

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authorization act for

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2022 was was published that that was

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mark warner and rubio and those guys um

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and it was basically an instruction to

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all the departments that would would say

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that they wanted reports every 90 days

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um and proper intelligence sharing

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then a little while later um that kind

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of came at the same time as the san

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marino stuff that tim is going to talk

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about um we had hr 4350

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national defense authorization act these

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are a bit of tongue twisters

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it's amazing that's all off the top of

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it's really impressive basically um

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the first of the two bills has now

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progressed down the train track so to

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speak there are three stops for each

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bill this is the the second of those

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stops um and it's transformed uh into hr

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five four one two so if you're right

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into your senators to say you support a

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bill that's the number to kind of quote

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that's now been pulled into this one as

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things that are common to each bill will

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stay so examining anomalous health

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incidents caring for those affected by

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them proper information sharing and

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that's classified information too um

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those things are gonna stick probably um

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to become we'll have a permanent office

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that replaces the ua ptf um and i think

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generally about the public facing

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information that they're giving out and

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that uh office when it comes to free

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a website given his frequent updates i

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what we can hope for is that whoever

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runs it whoever's in charge of it is

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transparent and we get as much public

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information as possible but i think

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that's a concern that rightly a lot of

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people have um what do you think the

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the worst case scenario is with this is

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created and it all goes away again

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the information they're dealing with is

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classified matter of factly so

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that's owned by no one country it's

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owned by everyone and all of that

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information gets fed to scientists that

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maybe study this information and the

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trends and the global patterns and

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so that we know even if the public

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the the data that the right people are

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and then i really really hope i keep my

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fingers crossed that that international

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kind of coalition if it comes to

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fruition uh has a public-facing

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department because you know the the

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marketing for this subject over the past

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17 years quite frankly uh sucks a little

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bit it's it's a bit dramatic it's gone

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in some crazy directions and indulged

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kind of some some lesser things i should

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so are you hoping some

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little to almost unknown country takes

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this forward to like the un for example

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and from that something grows and comes

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of it

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that that would be the first step right

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is to kind of get it legitimized somehow

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one country and then it gives everyone a

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kind of think of it like uh like

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fireflies in a lamp you know you turn

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the lamp on all the flies know where to

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well let's hand over to tim mcmillan and

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myself for an interview we recorded a

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couple of days ago talking about such a

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thing joining me for this interview for

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that ufo podcast the other show on kgra

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is a guest who's been on that ufo

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podcast several times already always

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appreciate his time as journalist and

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co-founder of the debrief at tim

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mcmillan tim how are we today

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good good it is always a pleasure to be

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on here man i always enjoy our chat so

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it's great to be here well hopefully

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enjoy this one and it's going to be one

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of our shorter chats given that the

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other ones tend to last a couple of

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hours but for kgre we're making the

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interviews that short and snappy for now

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uh tim back in the middle of september

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you released a piece titled san marino

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could become the un's new geneva for

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ufos essentially detailing how a new

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the article and how it even came about

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people were asking me what's coming in

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the ufo world and i said i think you

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know i wouldn't be surprised if a dark

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brings it on the international stage and

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organization and another one is an

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international organization um is coming

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government of san marino

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to host a u.n to propose to the united

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nations a uh a conference or consortium

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of conferences where it brings together

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it's not unprecedented this is something

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that was attempted uh before but uh

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actually form a kind of united nations

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where this one would be more like you

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but not necessarily for the general

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public but rather bring a place where

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you would have serious researchers or

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scientists from all across the world

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would come in under the united nations

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sanction backing uh you know and that's

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serves as almost an incubator of where

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further policy different things could

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come out of the united nations involving

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uap so it's pretty fascinating deal

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because it's it's one of the first times

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with a lot of the the coverage that's

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years this is one of the first times we

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see it really being pushed on the

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international stage

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the vessel to push that as the republic

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of san marino and football or soccer

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fans out there will know san marino for

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being one of if not the smallest nation

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in the world to have a international

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soccer team

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who famously don't really win any games

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why is that the vessel to push this

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early on of uh

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some of the major uh backers the major

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people who've been pushing this through

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were uh groups of italian uh

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ufo researchers

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and san marino has been hosting an

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italian conference for ufos uh for a

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number of years so well over uh

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maybe going on two decades or more

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they've been hosting it there so it's

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kind of this natural fit where you've

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got

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already hosting this international thing

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though it is a private function it's not

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uh government i mean it's government

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approved but it's not government

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put on by the government of san marino

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but you kind of already have this this

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uh legwork in place

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and then in addition to the fact like he

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said it's a tiny country

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that um other than like you said

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football or if you're in america soccer

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fans uh you may a lot of people may have

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read that article and heard of san

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marino for the first time you know what

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well where's that

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uh it's a good opportunity and i think

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that they they've uh the people who are

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trying to get this approved have have

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presented it to the government they're

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saying this is a good opportunity to get

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your name out on the world stage and

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ultimately if it goes through and you

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have this large conference of people

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it's uh

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you

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suddenly have a lot more people coming

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into san marino and san marino uh become

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something on the map and i think uh

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you know wisely when you're looking at

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that kind of strategically i think that

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that's another reason why they they pick

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san marino

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because somewhere you know united

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kingdom the united states china we're

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talking about you know big time players

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on the world stage who already have a

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lot of influence they may be less likely

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to take on this

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frankly because they don't need this you

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know

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big time deal they don't need that kind

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of exposure

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but whereas san marino may say yeah you

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know what let's go through with it so it

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will be interesting i think it's in the

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government there's hands right now

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um

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and i'm pretty soon i think with the

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next couple weeks they're expecting to

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get some type of response of whether

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now you mentioned just before and also

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in the article this sort of thing has

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been attempted it was like 1978 so the

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late 70s but there was no appetite for

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the conversation internationally not

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that the un didn't take it seriously but

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just no one wanted to take this further

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any further forward

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why is it different this time

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well we'll uh

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it's i think it's too early to say

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whether or not uh it's different other

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than we can kind of say that the

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cultural and just global climate

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surrounding the topic of ufos or uap

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is significantly different than it was

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in 1978 now you know we might not be

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able to argue that

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let's say in the late 50s early 60s when

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the topic was extremely popular probably

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at the same level as it is now

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but when you're talking about 1978 it

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was definitely something that had kind

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of fallen off of let's say the

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mainstream

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minds and particularly in the

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government's minds

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so it is something that right now is

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very much in the forefront and and i

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think

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uh you're seeing other countries on the

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international stage start to as well

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take that uh kind of lead the united

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states is taken by announcing that

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they're going to be forming a a uap

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office so a permanent body within the

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department of defense to look into this

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uh you know their

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politicians are talking about it you've

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got people very openly talking about it

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i think uh that's it's it's kind of like

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um

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they've they've made it okay it's not

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taboo anymore you know everybody

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everybody wants to do something or they

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might be willing to do it but then it

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takes somebody else to kind of go first

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and

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got the world's biggest global economy

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and all these things going for you uh it

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allows you to kind of throw that muscle

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around so people start following

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following that trend

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so i think ultimately you know it's too

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early it's like is it to tell if it's

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different from 1970 i would say that the

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climate and the timing right now is

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different in the fact that uh you know

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in 78 you didn't have the united states

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government talking about it you didn't

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have them uh

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in fact they were 10 years off of

402
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closing project blue book in their

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official ufo investigations

404
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this is the exact opposite now you're on

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the cusp of them starting an entirely

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new program so it'll be interesting you

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know the timing

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is good i would say given everything

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so those are two organizations you

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mentioned where the central ufological

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nationality which i'm sure people can

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translate themselves and the

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international coalition for

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extraterrestrial research or icer as

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people may know them it's going under

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the guise of project titan and uh

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hopefully soon on the podcast i'm going

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to have paulo at gizardy on to discuss

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that in more detail so look to that one

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coming in the near future what do you

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think the potential of project titan

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could be though tim if this goes ahead

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and we get this push through

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well i i think that that uh it's one of

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these things that what the outcomes are

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kind of limitless

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because

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uh you know we don't really have a

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stable kind of ground truth when it

430
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comes to uap

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you know especially not in any one given

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nation at least not publicly but

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particularly on the international stage

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and so it's like any other

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uh you know difficult problem i mean you

436
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saw the same thing when we with the

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coveted pandemic where you have

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countries coming together or different

439
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researchers going on simultaneously that

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then come together to to combat a

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problem uh quickly and identify

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information and so i think that

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ultimately if they're able to get

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through with what they want and they're

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able to pull together scientists from

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all across the world you're going to

447
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gain a significant amount of data points

448
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and you're going to gain

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bright minds from all over the world and

450
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that's frankly you you almost have to

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have that if you're going to solve

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something like this that

453
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has been a persistent mystery for

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decades but perhaps longer um you're

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gonna have to have that

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you know you're gonna have to actually

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come together and try to solve that just

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like you would a pandemic or anything

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else because it is a global issue and i

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think that that's one of the things that

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has probably hindered

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some of the ufo research or the uap

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research this that's gone on over the

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years is the fact that it's been done

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very much in isolation as if it was a

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national issue for any one given nation

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or region

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uh but obviously it's a global issue you

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know if it was only a national issue

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then i think we could

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pretty much uh conclusively rule that

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ufos

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belong to that nation somehow but it's

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but it's not and uh i think it could be

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uh if nothing else it could be pretty

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eye-opening uh as well because

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i know myself when i first moved

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overseas and and hearing about sightings

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or

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significant research done in other parts

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of the world and europe i went wow man

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this is not just a u.s phenomenon and i

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think that um

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that idea really gets set into people is

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that this is all just a us phenomenon

486
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because we hear about sightings we hear

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about stuff that's going on in the

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united states and we fail to recognize

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that this is something that's going on

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all across the world uh you know the

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biggest of nations the smallest of

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nations you know you name it uh you have

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these types of reports and i think

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that's a fascinating thing it kind of uh

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we can latch onto that maybe turn this

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into kind of an exploratory endeavor so

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now it's like our like how we explore

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space where we come together there and

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we put our differences aside

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and we we explore it

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because it's the benefit of mankind and

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so viewing it that way i think

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ultimately that's what the the goal i

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think paulo and those guys have for for

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project titan uh i think that it's it's

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not an easy goal but but best case

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scenario that comes out of it it i

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that's where i think you could have some

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impressive results in the long run it

510
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would be very interesting i'd love to

511
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see that kind of stuff a real

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comprehensive type of examination like

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that

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i think selfishly for people like us tim

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based in europe it would also be a much

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shorter and cheaper trip than heading

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over to the states for any international

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conferences so

519
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absolutely

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while i mention europe i've got to ask

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you just before we finish up it's been

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said that the the uk government

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just don't want to have this

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conversation on uap but also are

525
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actively discouraging others from having

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it what's your understanding of the uk's

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position from yourself or your own

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sources tim

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yeah no that's uh that that's true and a

530
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lot of that i think you came from

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has come from my sources so so outside

532
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of just the us government it was

533
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interesting to talk to other people uh

534
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and other governments uh in europe

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uh in east asia that said that it's it's

536
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funny that the uk doesn't want to talk

537
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about it and you know if it's uh

538
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if this is something that comes up as a

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topic of discussion in broader uh like

540
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let's say intelligence meetings where

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you would have other services so let's

542
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say like five eyes meetings where you've

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got the australia the united states and

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everybody together

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the uk has always been like

546
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no no we don't even need to let's nope

547
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let's not even go down that route

548
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uh you know i always caution people that

549
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that could be from my end that could be

550
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just what uh

551
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is is not an accurate portrayal it's a

552
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limited narrow scope of just the people

553
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i've spoken to their experiences but i

554
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did find it interesting because it was

555
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uh it was definitely the

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um

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the perception of people that i spoke to

558
00:20:19,430 --> 00:20:18,000
that weren't just from one agency or

559
00:20:20,630 --> 00:20:19,440
even one nation so that was very

560
00:20:23,110 --> 00:20:20,640
interesting

561
00:20:25,270 --> 00:20:23,120
i think in looking at uh in this

562
00:20:27,590 --> 00:20:25,280
particular in this article that's what

563
00:20:29,190 --> 00:20:27,600
what where this came up for me

564
00:20:31,510 --> 00:20:29,200
was uh you know

565
00:20:33,830 --> 00:20:31,520
it it came up that the uk may have had

566
00:20:37,270 --> 00:20:33,840
something to do with really wanting to

567
00:20:39,669 --> 00:20:37,280
put push off the the 1978 u.n

568
00:20:42,230 --> 00:20:39,679
uh push that went in

569
00:20:44,310 --> 00:20:42,240
uh to try to get a ufo investigative

570
00:20:46,070 --> 00:20:44,320
group together so i'm like man what is

571
00:20:49,110 --> 00:20:46,080
the uk doing like

572
00:20:50,630 --> 00:20:49,120
why did they not wanna so you know it's

573
00:20:52,390 --> 00:20:50,640
interesting obviously nobody has

574
00:20:54,630 --> 00:20:52,400
confirmed that for me officially out of

575
00:20:57,270 --> 00:20:54,640
the mod or anything like that

576
00:20:59,669 --> 00:20:57,280
but uh you know it is i would say a

577
00:21:01,830 --> 00:20:59,679
stark contrast when you see

578
00:21:02,789 --> 00:21:01,840
how much the united states has discussed

579
00:21:05,669 --> 00:21:02,799
it

580
00:21:08,470 --> 00:21:05,679
um

581
00:21:10,070 --> 00:21:08,480
that how to how limited uh

582
00:21:11,029 --> 00:21:10,080
what you're hearing out of the mod or

583
00:21:12,870 --> 00:21:11,039
what you're hearing in the united

584
00:21:14,710 --> 00:21:12,880
kingdom there's definitely a stark

585
00:21:16,870 --> 00:21:14,720
difference and i think that's that's

586
00:21:19,510 --> 00:21:16,880
interesting uh particularly when you

587
00:21:22,310 --> 00:21:19,520
have other allies that that have gone on

588
00:21:24,070 --> 00:21:22,320
record and coming out so uh like japan

589
00:21:26,149 --> 00:21:24,080
you know was it last year that japan's

590
00:21:28,070 --> 00:21:26,159
minister of defense you know said that

591
00:21:30,310 --> 00:21:28,080
he he discussed

592
00:21:32,230 --> 00:21:30,320
uap with the secret the us secretary of

593
00:21:33,909 --> 00:21:32,240
defense during his visit so this is very

594
00:21:35,750 --> 00:21:33,919
interesting when you have other allies

595
00:21:37,190 --> 00:21:35,760
that are that are expressing that

596
00:21:38,310 --> 00:21:37,200
they're either interested or want to

597
00:21:39,510 --> 00:21:38,320
know more about it and they want to

598
00:21:40,390 --> 00:21:39,520
cooperate

599
00:21:42,830 --> 00:21:40,400
um

600
00:21:45,750 --> 00:21:42,840
but when you know i think almost

601
00:21:48,230 --> 00:21:45,760
inarguably uh the united states closest

602
00:21:50,630 --> 00:21:48,240
ally in the uk you would almost you

603
00:21:52,549 --> 00:21:50,640
would expect them to kind of

604
00:21:54,789 --> 00:21:52,559
they follow everything each other and

605
00:21:57,029 --> 00:21:54,799
everything else you know so

606
00:21:58,630 --> 00:21:57,039
it is that surprises yeah tim that

607
00:21:59,669 --> 00:21:58,640
that's what surprises me with it when

608
00:22:02,549 --> 00:21:59,679
the uk

609
00:22:04,789 --> 00:22:02,559
follows the us's lead and so much and

610
00:22:07,029 --> 00:22:04,799
always has done this is just something

611
00:22:09,029 --> 00:22:07,039
we seem to be so far apart in which

612
00:22:11,110 --> 00:22:09,039
obviously personally and professionally

613
00:22:12,950 --> 00:22:11,120
disappoints me but i just can't quite

614
00:22:16,310 --> 00:22:12,960
put my finger on it

615
00:22:18,149 --> 00:22:16,320
i you know i can't either and uh

616
00:22:19,510 --> 00:22:18,159
a part of me

617
00:22:21,750 --> 00:22:19,520
so it's a double-edged sword a part of

618
00:22:23,750 --> 00:22:21,760
me you know i'm kind of reporting what's

619
00:22:25,830 --> 00:22:23,760
been said to me or how people have

620
00:22:27,510 --> 00:22:25,840
expressed that but then even in hearing

621
00:22:29,190 --> 00:22:27,520
that i still don't

622
00:22:32,710 --> 00:22:29,200
fully believe it

623
00:22:34,950 --> 00:22:32,720
simply because uh the uk

624
00:22:37,510 --> 00:22:34,960
australia canada the united states are

625
00:22:39,350 --> 00:22:37,520
so close to each other in terms of

626
00:22:41,830 --> 00:22:39,360
intelligence particularly they rely on

627
00:22:45,590 --> 00:22:41,840
each other for so much communication

628
00:22:48,310 --> 00:22:45,600
it's just so good it just

629
00:22:50,149 --> 00:22:48,320
it's hard to believe that it wouldn't be

630
00:22:52,070 --> 00:22:50,159
you know if this is if this is a topic

631
00:22:55,029 --> 00:22:52,080
that has been expressed is something of

632
00:22:56,390 --> 00:22:55,039
interest in any one of those countries

633
00:22:58,310 --> 00:22:56,400
that the others would be like ah we're

634
00:23:00,149 --> 00:22:58,320
not dealing with that and neither do you

635
00:23:02,710 --> 00:23:00,159
so i just so it's

636
00:23:04,230 --> 00:23:02,720
like i said i haven't fully formed an

637
00:23:05,830 --> 00:23:04,240
opinion there i've heard what people

638
00:23:09,029 --> 00:23:05,840
have told me but at the same time in my

639
00:23:12,070 --> 00:23:09,039
own experience i just you don't you

640
00:23:13,669 --> 00:23:12,080
don't see that and so it may be

641
00:23:15,750 --> 00:23:13,679
what is more likely is that these

642
00:23:17,750 --> 00:23:15,760
discussions are are indeed going on but

643
00:23:20,549 --> 00:23:17,760
they're going on at a much more

644
00:23:22,630 --> 00:23:20,559
uh close-knit and higher level in the uk

645
00:23:23,990 --> 00:23:22,640
than they particularly are in the united

646
00:23:25,190 --> 00:23:24,000
states and so that's why you have a

647
00:23:27,270 --> 00:23:25,200
little more out of the united states

648
00:23:29,029 --> 00:23:27,280
being talked about it

649
00:23:31,430 --> 00:23:29,039
i can only hope so tim

650
00:23:33,510 --> 00:23:31,440
awesome speaking with you thank you

651
00:23:35,270 --> 00:23:33,520
and thank you very much for your time

652
00:23:37,190 --> 00:23:35,280
big thanks to tim mcmillan for joining

653
00:23:39,029 --> 00:23:37,200
us for the interview tim has been a

654
00:23:40,950 --> 00:23:39,039
regular guest on the podcast since it

655
00:23:43,110 --> 00:23:40,960
started and i appreciate his time and

656
00:23:45,830 --> 00:23:43,120
look forward to having him back on again

657
00:23:48,230 --> 00:23:45,840
soon dan there was quite a lot came from

658
00:23:51,110 --> 00:23:48,240
this event in san marino that came out

659
00:23:53,350 --> 00:23:51,120
of nowhere to be honest uh max moskowitz

660
00:23:55,750 --> 00:23:53,360
who is a friend of the podcast he has

661
00:23:57,350 --> 00:23:55,760
his own max moscovitz channel on youtube

662
00:23:59,190 --> 00:23:57,360
people should be checking that one out

663
00:24:01,510 --> 00:23:59,200
he lives not too far from there and

664
00:24:03,269 --> 00:24:01,520
managed to travel to san marino and meet

665
00:24:05,990 --> 00:24:03,279
up with luella zondo for a few days as

666
00:24:09,190 --> 00:24:06,000
well didn't he we sane not too far

667
00:24:11,110 --> 00:24:09,200
it is a few countries away um

668
00:24:12,549 --> 00:24:11,120
yeah but that's like he has that nice

669
00:24:13,830 --> 00:24:12,559
open border thing that he can just drive

670
00:24:14,870 --> 00:24:13,840
through them and get them nice and

671
00:24:16,789 --> 00:24:14,880
smoothly

672
00:24:19,029 --> 00:24:16,799
yeah i suppose like

673
00:24:20,789 --> 00:24:19,039
when we talk about not too far i think

674
00:24:23,190 --> 00:24:20,799
i'm thinking from a us point of view

675
00:24:25,510 --> 00:24:23,200
where a lot of you watching this will be

676
00:24:27,430 --> 00:24:25,520
from where a regular drive like i've got

677
00:24:29,350 --> 00:24:27,440
family stay in australia and two and

678
00:24:32,149 --> 00:24:29,360
three hour drives are the norm whereas

679
00:24:34,870 --> 00:24:32,159
for us in the uk that's pretty far and

680
00:24:36,710 --> 00:24:34,880
usually into other countries yeah so max

681
00:24:38,149 --> 00:24:36,720
managed to drive to san marino and meet

682
00:24:40,149 --> 00:24:38,159
up with louie elizondo for a couple of

683
00:24:41,909 --> 00:24:40,159
days while he was there and broke some

684
00:24:44,630 --> 00:24:41,919
news at the time as well managed to get

685
00:24:46,549 --> 00:24:44,640
lew's reaction and thoughts and

686
00:24:48,789 --> 00:24:46,559
got some good on the spot reporting so

687
00:24:50,630 --> 00:24:48,799
that was all very much appreciated what

688
00:24:52,950 --> 00:24:50,640
were your thoughts on uh what happened

689
00:24:55,990 --> 00:24:52,960
coming at san marino then then

690
00:24:59,110 --> 00:24:56,000
super super interesting um

691
00:25:00,390 --> 00:24:59,120
the the bill kind of broke

692
00:25:03,029 --> 00:25:00,400
it was before

693
00:25:05,269 --> 00:25:03,039
max and lou got into it um but not that

694
00:25:07,590 --> 00:25:05,279
long before um so we were all kind of

695
00:25:09,990 --> 00:25:07,600
digesting the language in the bill

696
00:25:12,470 --> 00:25:10,000
uh when you know max pops up with lou to

697
00:25:13,990 --> 00:25:12,480
kind of go through it with us um and

698
00:25:15,590 --> 00:25:14,000
they they highlighted some really

699
00:25:16,870 --> 00:25:15,600
important parts which we kind of touched

700
00:25:18,630 --> 00:25:16,880
on before with the anomalous health

701
00:25:21,029 --> 00:25:18,640
effects and things like that it's super

702
00:25:22,870 --> 00:25:21,039
important that those get acknowledged um

703
00:25:24,950 --> 00:25:22,880
you know there are a lot more people out

704
00:25:26,789 --> 00:25:24,960
there who have been damaged by

705
00:25:29,269 --> 00:25:26,799
coming too close to these crafts or you

706
00:25:31,750 --> 00:25:29,279
know through experiencing something much

707
00:25:32,950 --> 00:25:31,760
heavier uh like an abduction then it

708
00:25:34,630 --> 00:25:32,960
should really be looked at and studied

709
00:25:35,590 --> 00:25:34,640
and if people need help we we need to

710
00:25:36,630 --> 00:25:35,600
help them

711
00:25:37,990 --> 00:25:36,640
um

712
00:25:39,669 --> 00:25:38,000
so yeah that that was one of the

713
00:25:41,909 --> 00:25:39,679
standouts of that bill for me but the

714
00:25:43,669 --> 00:25:41,919
san marino stuff is intriguing because

715
00:25:46,070 --> 00:25:43,679
like you say it kind of came out of that

716
00:25:48,470 --> 00:25:46,080
field but as tim said there this is an

717
00:25:49,669 --> 00:25:48,480
event that's happened kind of almost

718
00:25:52,710 --> 00:25:49,679
every year

719
00:25:55,350 --> 00:25:52,720
um but only this year it's kind of got

720
00:25:56,470 --> 00:25:55,360
that legitimacy to to attract a few

721
00:25:59,269 --> 00:25:56,480
people who

722
00:26:01,029 --> 00:25:59,279
whose names aren't spoken but we we know

723
00:26:03,269 --> 00:26:01,039
they're kind of officials from some

724
00:26:05,029 --> 00:26:03,279
places um

725
00:26:08,470 --> 00:26:05,039
so there's an air of legitimacy that

726
00:26:10,630 --> 00:26:08,480
maybe this is going to be one of those

727
00:26:12,630 --> 00:26:10,640
kind of conferences every year that that

728
00:26:14,470 --> 00:26:12,640
you know scientists will go to is it too

729
00:26:18,390 --> 00:26:14,480
simple to say this is all because of

730
00:26:21,669 --> 00:26:19,750
no i don't think that's too simple at

731
00:26:24,789 --> 00:26:21,679
all i think that's perfectly correct i

732
00:26:26,710 --> 00:26:24,799
think that's letters here um

733
00:26:29,110 --> 00:26:26,720
the goal of ttsa was to get rid of that

734
00:26:31,669 --> 00:26:29,120
stigma and and i don't think anyone can

735
00:26:33,350 --> 00:26:31,679
argue that they haven't done that um

736
00:26:35,830 --> 00:26:33,360
like i remember who said it i imagine it

737
00:26:38,630 --> 00:26:35,840
was probably lou relaying a story but

738
00:26:40,070 --> 00:26:38,640
they he he said that he was told by

739
00:26:42,710 --> 00:26:40,080
someone working in the pentagon that

740
00:26:44,870 --> 00:26:42,720
they now have don't have to step into a

741
00:26:46,950 --> 00:26:44,880
skiff to actually have conversations

742
00:26:49,990 --> 00:26:46,960
about uap they can just do it walking

743
00:26:51,269 --> 00:26:50,000
around in the hall which is a big change

744
00:26:52,630 --> 00:26:51,279
because people are going to overhear

745
00:26:54,070 --> 00:26:52,640
that and suddenly other officials are

746
00:26:55,830 --> 00:26:54,080
going to be kind of going oh so there's

747
00:26:57,510 --> 00:26:55,840
something to this then like how can i

748
00:26:59,510 --> 00:26:57,520
get involved you know trying to help

749
00:27:01,909 --> 00:26:59,520
along the effort

750
00:27:03,190 --> 00:27:01,919
with this sort of event we're hoping

751
00:27:05,510 --> 00:27:03,200
what comes from it and we've heard a

752
00:27:07,669 --> 00:27:05,520
little on project tight in there where

753
00:27:08,630 --> 00:27:07,679
ideally an international group get

754
00:27:09,909 --> 00:27:08,640
together

755
00:27:12,149 --> 00:27:09,919
who's going to be running that group

756
00:27:14,470 --> 00:27:12,159
though dan right now the way the ufo

757
00:27:16,710 --> 00:27:14,480
charge is being led is very much from a

758
00:27:18,789 --> 00:27:16,720
us point of view and to be honest you've

759
00:27:20,789 --> 00:27:18,799
got to be grateful for that i know it

760
00:27:23,029 --> 00:27:20,799
can be controversial that one country's

761
00:27:24,149 --> 00:27:23,039
leading the way so much but no one else

762
00:27:25,830 --> 00:27:24,159
was doing it

763
00:27:28,070 --> 00:27:25,840
so as it stands the us are at the

764
00:27:29,110 --> 00:27:28,080
forefront do you think this is the right

765
00:27:30,710 --> 00:27:29,120
step

766
00:27:32,870 --> 00:27:30,720
going forward that it should be an

767
00:27:35,269 --> 00:27:32,880
international effort and how exactly

768
00:27:36,870 --> 00:27:35,279
does that work because surely other

769
00:27:38,549 --> 00:27:36,880
countries are going to have their own

770
00:27:40,630 --> 00:27:38,559
interests at heart and especially when

771
00:27:43,190 --> 00:27:40,640
you think of the big superpowers when

772
00:27:44,710 --> 00:27:43,200
you look at china russia america and

773
00:27:46,230 --> 00:27:44,720
then you start bringing into like

774
00:27:48,870 --> 00:27:46,240
continental europe

775
00:27:50,230 --> 00:27:48,880
germany uk

776
00:27:51,990 --> 00:27:50,240
surely these countries are going to want

777
00:27:54,070 --> 00:27:52,000
their own saying what's potentially a

778
00:27:56,389 --> 00:27:54,080
pretty spectacular issue but one with a

779
00:27:58,470 --> 00:27:56,399
lot of defense significance as well

780
00:28:00,470 --> 00:27:58,480
yeah absolutely you know the information

781
00:28:01,269 --> 00:28:00,480
gleaned from the data

782
00:28:04,789 --> 00:28:01,279
um

783
00:28:06,310 --> 00:28:04,799
of uap is going to be so valuable to

784
00:28:07,669 --> 00:28:06,320
anyone that can figure out how to you

785
00:28:09,750 --> 00:28:07,679
know make a craft that can do those

786
00:28:11,909 --> 00:28:09,760
things even if we just take hypersonic

787
00:28:13,110 --> 00:28:11,919
velocities instantly

788
00:28:15,029 --> 00:28:13,120
like that

789
00:28:19,190 --> 00:28:15,039
ability alone would would give them a

790
00:28:20,950 --> 00:28:19,200
huge advantage over their adversaries um

791
00:28:23,430 --> 00:28:20,960
i i would say we need to make sure that

792
00:28:26,070 --> 00:28:23,440
that international coalition is is away

793
00:28:27,590 --> 00:28:26,080
from government and government influence

794
00:28:29,909 --> 00:28:27,600
the government should feed into it or

795
00:28:31,350 --> 00:28:29,919
they should be like i don't know like a

796
00:28:33,909 --> 00:28:31,360
an in

797
00:28:35,029 --> 00:28:33,919
intermediary um that kind of looks after

798
00:28:37,190 --> 00:28:35,039
the data

799
00:28:40,230 --> 00:28:37,200
i know science projects use it all the

800
00:28:42,310 --> 00:28:40,240
time where they'll feed into a secure

801
00:28:43,909 --> 00:28:42,320
repository from many different locations

802
00:28:46,549 --> 00:28:43,919
in the world and that's probably what we

803
00:28:48,789 --> 00:28:46,559
should be looking at here um

804
00:28:51,350 --> 00:28:48,799
we've heard them speak about or lose

805
00:28:53,830 --> 00:28:51,360
speak about ai and applying ai to the

806
00:28:55,430 --> 00:28:53,840
data streams and that's kind of

807
00:28:56,789 --> 00:28:55,440
what you'd need to do to be able to do

808
00:28:58,070 --> 00:28:56,799
that as well you know if you had one

809
00:28:59,990 --> 00:28:58,080
pipe coming in from all the different

810
00:29:02,070 --> 00:29:00,000
countries um that that's where the

811
00:29:03,909 --> 00:29:02,080
filter would be

812
00:29:05,669 --> 00:29:03,919
dan let me ask you though okay so you

813
00:29:07,830 --> 00:29:05,679
are one of the superpowers okay take

814
00:29:08,549 --> 00:29:07,840
your pick yes russia china

815
00:29:16,630 --> 00:29:08,559
you

816
00:29:19,430 --> 00:29:16,640
because what we're talking about here is

817
00:29:22,310 --> 00:29:19,440
a group of mainstream scientists and

818
00:29:24,310 --> 00:29:22,320
potentially previous politicians or just

819
00:29:26,789 --> 00:29:24,320
individuals with an interest

820
00:29:28,789 --> 00:29:26,799
now getting access to incredible

821
00:29:30,070 --> 00:29:28,799
technology we talked about defense

822
00:29:32,310 --> 00:29:30,080
significance

823
00:29:33,590 --> 00:29:32,320
talking about

824
00:29:35,350 --> 00:29:33,600
something that could really shape the

825
00:29:37,830 --> 00:29:35,360
future of the whole planet and the human

826
00:29:39,990 --> 00:29:37,840
race if you know if disclosure comes

827
00:29:42,470 --> 00:29:40,000
over or it just becomes a scientific

828
00:29:44,870 --> 00:29:42,480
study and all it takes is even with with

829
00:29:46,710 --> 00:29:44,880
avi loeb you know project galileo

830
00:29:49,110 --> 00:29:46,720
imagine one of these independent

831
00:29:51,909 --> 00:29:49,120
organizations managed to capture

832
00:29:53,510 --> 00:29:51,919
something on film or on camera

833
00:29:55,269 --> 00:29:53,520
like we always maybe thought when you

834
00:29:57,029 --> 00:29:55,279
first get into the subject of you know

835
00:29:59,029 --> 00:29:57,039
imagine one day we had that nasa

836
00:30:01,830 --> 00:29:59,039
conference before you get really into

837
00:30:03,350 --> 00:30:01,840
the woods with us and in the weeds and

838
00:30:05,269 --> 00:30:03,360
nasa say here's a picture like

839
00:30:07,110 --> 00:30:05,279
independence day where here's the

840
00:30:09,269 --> 00:30:07,120
satellite photos of these huge craft

841
00:30:11,110 --> 00:30:09,279
approaching the earth

842
00:30:13,110 --> 00:30:11,120
that's that's taken away from the

843
00:30:15,590 --> 00:30:13,120
government and their control and

844
00:30:17,750 --> 00:30:15,600
do they want that happening or are they

845
00:30:19,830 --> 00:30:17,760
in any position to stop this happening

846
00:30:22,070 --> 00:30:19,840
when it goes to that sort of level

847
00:30:24,230 --> 00:30:22,080
i think the second question is key there

848
00:30:26,149 --> 00:30:24,240
because they definitely don't want that

849
00:30:28,070 --> 00:30:26,159
to happen and i i think you you've

850
00:30:30,310 --> 00:30:28,080
essentially expressed a really nice

851
00:30:32,230 --> 00:30:30,320
concise reason for why you would cover

852
00:30:33,990 --> 00:30:32,240
up something like this if you found it

853
00:30:35,909 --> 00:30:34,000
um you know you had kind of the cold war

854
00:30:38,070 --> 00:30:35,919
going on and the the background of or

855
00:30:40,070 --> 00:30:38,080
sorry the remnants of of the fallout of

856
00:30:41,750 --> 00:30:40,080
world war ii um

857
00:30:44,549 --> 00:30:41,760
you know you can see why you would you'd

858
00:30:47,909 --> 00:30:44,559
ignore it if it was this

859
00:30:49,110 --> 00:30:47,919
potentially dangerous um to to

860
00:30:50,549 --> 00:30:49,120
you know if you've got a craft flying

861
00:30:52,149 --> 00:30:50,559
around and your enemy studies it they

862
00:30:53,909 --> 00:30:52,159
can kind of

863
00:30:55,669 --> 00:30:53,919
study the signature and maybe build the

864
00:30:57,830 --> 00:30:55,679
craft themselves

865
00:30:59,750 --> 00:30:57,840
so you've definitely stumbled upon a

866
00:31:01,750 --> 00:30:59,760
good reason for the cover up there

867
00:31:03,029 --> 00:31:01,760
and the reason i said that it was really

868
00:31:05,029 --> 00:31:03,039
important that

869
00:31:06,789 --> 00:31:05,039
to acknowledge that a lot of this is out

870
00:31:08,950 --> 00:31:06,799
of their control

871
00:31:11,190 --> 00:31:08,960
is that when we look at disclosure as a

872
00:31:13,269 --> 00:31:11,200
process there's only kind of so much we

873
00:31:15,350 --> 00:31:13,279
can do as a species you know even if

874
00:31:16,230 --> 00:31:15,360
everyone on the planet knew about it

875
00:31:18,549 --> 00:31:16,240
if

876
00:31:20,070 --> 00:31:18,559
the visitors or you know i say visitors

877
00:31:22,230 --> 00:31:20,080
but if they belong here this is home for

878
00:31:24,070 --> 00:31:22,240
them um

879
00:31:25,509 --> 00:31:24,080
balls kind of in their court you know

880
00:31:27,269 --> 00:31:25,519
they they could have a mass sizing in

881
00:31:28,789 --> 00:31:27,279
the next hour over all the world's major

882
00:31:31,509 --> 00:31:28,799
cities and this thing will be blown wide

883
00:31:33,190 --> 00:31:31,519
open and the dod wouldn't be able to

884
00:31:37,509 --> 00:31:33,200
convince anyone that it wasn't real

885
00:31:39,110 --> 00:31:37,519
anymore so there's definitely uh

886
00:31:40,789 --> 00:31:39,120
in the age of information and with

887
00:31:42,230 --> 00:31:40,799
everyone with tick tock and social media

888
00:31:44,149 --> 00:31:42,240
and things like that

889
00:31:46,070 --> 00:31:44,159
there's a huge lack of control over this

890
00:31:48,310 --> 00:31:46,080
information

891
00:31:50,230 --> 00:31:48,320
do you know what when i first saw san

892
00:31:52,389 --> 00:31:50,240
marino i was like

893
00:31:55,590 --> 00:31:52,399
of all the countries

894
00:31:56,950 --> 00:31:55,600
san marino you know landlocked small i

895
00:31:58,710 --> 00:31:56,960
talked about tim how it's known for

896
00:32:01,430 --> 00:31:58,720
having a very poor football team a

897
00:32:03,110 --> 00:32:01,440
soccer team and and that's that's about

898
00:32:05,029 --> 00:32:03,120
it which is probably doing the country

899
00:32:06,470 --> 00:32:05,039
as a service but

900
00:32:08,870 --> 00:32:06,480
maybe that's the way it should be

901
00:32:10,389 --> 00:32:08,880
because all those big countries oh big

902
00:32:12,470 --> 00:32:10,399
that again that sounds so bad talking

903
00:32:14,310 --> 00:32:12,480
down about san marino but they are what

904
00:32:16,230 --> 00:32:14,320
they are they're a very small nation

905
00:32:19,110 --> 00:32:16,240
should we say countries with ginormous

906
00:32:21,590 --> 00:32:19,120
defense budget um yeah yeah

907
00:32:22,950 --> 00:32:21,600
once on the planet let's say that and

908
00:32:24,950 --> 00:32:22,960
the grand scheme of things you know that

909
00:32:26,549 --> 00:32:24,960
that's where they're at and

910
00:32:29,110 --> 00:32:26,559
maybe that's the way this has to work

911
00:32:31,350 --> 00:32:29,120
that it takes a country like that who

912
00:32:33,830 --> 00:32:31,360
necessarily isn't scared about its

913
00:32:36,310 --> 00:32:33,840
reputation on the international stage

914
00:32:37,190 --> 00:32:36,320
because they don't necessarily have

915
00:32:38,149 --> 00:32:37,200
one

916
00:32:39,909 --> 00:32:38,159
to

917
00:32:41,190 --> 00:32:39,919
you know they're just there at the

918
00:32:43,190 --> 00:32:41,200
moment they're making up the numbers

919
00:32:44,789 --> 00:32:43,200
they feel and this is their way to make

920
00:32:47,509 --> 00:32:44,799
that statement on the international

921
00:32:49,269 --> 00:32:47,519
stage by being that country to really

922
00:32:51,190 --> 00:32:49,279
promote this and like i discussed with

923
00:32:52,870 --> 00:32:51,200
tim this isn't the first time this has

924
00:32:55,350 --> 00:32:52,880
happened and it was put to the u.n back

925
00:32:57,509 --> 00:32:55,360
in the late 70s and 78 but there was no

926
00:32:59,509 --> 00:32:57,519
appetite for the conversation and as for

927
00:33:01,110 --> 00:32:59,519
reasons we have discussed

928
00:33:03,269 --> 00:33:01,120
maybe now as the time given what's

929
00:33:04,549 --> 00:33:03,279
happened in recent years as well i want

930
00:33:06,950 --> 00:33:04,559
to get your thoughts down a couple of

931
00:33:08,789 --> 00:33:06,960
listeners got in touch with us uh to get

932
00:33:11,029 --> 00:33:08,799
some points on it and look made the

933
00:33:12,310 --> 00:33:11,039
point that from a glass half full

934
00:33:14,310 --> 00:33:12,320
perspective

935
00:33:16,230 --> 00:33:14,320
he thinks it would potentially help

936
00:33:18,070 --> 00:33:16,240
destigmatize the topic

937
00:33:20,710 --> 00:33:18,080
it would likely become another source of

938
00:33:22,950 --> 00:33:20,720
credible evidence that craft performing

939
00:33:24,549 --> 00:33:22,960
far beyond the capability of revealed

940
00:33:26,230 --> 00:33:24,559
human tech exists

941
00:33:28,630 --> 00:33:26,240
and it would also provide a whole pile

942
00:33:30,389 --> 00:33:28,640
of extra content information for those

943
00:33:32,630 --> 00:33:30,399
of us that are already convinced kind of

944
00:33:35,830 --> 00:33:32,640
adding to that dossier of evidence

945
00:33:37,669 --> 00:33:35,840
also from a glass half empty perspective

946
00:33:40,149 --> 00:33:37,679
look thanks to political tension between

947
00:33:41,990 --> 00:33:40,159
the world's superpowers is probably far

948
00:33:44,310 --> 00:33:42,000
too great for them to allow anything

949
00:33:45,830 --> 00:33:44,320
scientifically meaningful to be revealed

950
00:33:47,909 --> 00:33:45,840
via this forum which i think kind of

951
00:33:49,269 --> 00:33:47,919
goes along with one of the points abisor

952
00:33:50,710 --> 00:33:49,279
are making what what do you think about

953
00:33:53,269 --> 00:33:50,720
what looks soon

954
00:33:56,070 --> 00:33:53,279
yeah uh luke is loopston one of the

955
00:33:58,070 --> 00:33:56,080
colons right is it is it the same luke

956
00:33:59,990 --> 00:33:58,080
um i oh it might not be the same look

957
00:34:01,830 --> 00:34:00,000
i'm i can't remember

958
00:34:04,230 --> 00:34:01,840
the second loop then right we discussed

959
00:34:05,110 --> 00:34:04,240
this didn't we before dan two things

960
00:34:06,710 --> 00:34:05,120
right

961
00:34:08,950 --> 00:34:06,720
the batteries ran out on this after

962
00:34:11,190 --> 00:34:08,960
someone having a dan's bat he's running

963
00:34:12,629 --> 00:34:11,200
out my mine is far too bright i'm just

964
00:34:14,629 --> 00:34:12,639
going to switch this on just so people

965
00:34:17,190 --> 00:34:14,639
can see like yeah i mean

966
00:34:20,389 --> 00:34:17,200
text yeah element 115 levels of

967
00:34:22,389 --> 00:34:20,399
radiation coming off as dan said um

968
00:34:24,230 --> 00:34:22,399
my mind one is just broken so i will get

969
00:34:26,869 --> 00:34:24,240
a new one for the next show so apologies

970
00:34:28,470 --> 00:34:26,879
folks the other one is we have lots of

971
00:34:30,069 --> 00:34:28,480
listeners who get in touch with us they

972
00:34:34,310 --> 00:34:30,079
all seem to have the similar names so

973
00:34:35,909 --> 00:34:34,320
we've got several looks carl's joe's uh

974
00:34:37,510 --> 00:34:35,919
yeah so it looks like they're all

975
00:34:40,389 --> 00:34:37,520
duplicating questions but we've got a

976
00:34:42,550 --> 00:34:40,399
few looks but i'm digressing now um

977
00:34:45,109 --> 00:34:42,560
but yeah so it might may or may not than

978
00:34:46,550 --> 00:34:45,119
be the same look but yeah crack on what

979
00:34:48,710 --> 00:34:46,560
are your thoughts

980
00:34:50,790 --> 00:34:48,720
um i mean i'm i'm all about the the

981
00:34:53,589 --> 00:34:50,800
glass half full with it you know that

982
00:34:55,669 --> 00:34:53,599
this is a a road that's been been built

983
00:34:57,349 --> 00:34:55,679
for a long time i know we we had a unf

984
00:34:58,710 --> 00:34:57,359
that wasn't successful before i think it

985
00:35:01,030 --> 00:34:58,720
was really interesting that tim was

986
00:35:03,349 --> 00:35:01,040
saying that you know he he'd heard

987
00:35:05,190 --> 00:35:03,359
romelus that the uk had maybe stopped

988
00:35:06,310 --> 00:35:05,200
that discussion as well

989
00:35:08,310 --> 00:35:06,320
um

990
00:35:09,670 --> 00:35:08,320
and and i hope they don't don't do that

991
00:35:13,349 --> 00:35:09,680
this time

992
00:35:15,430 --> 00:35:13,359
but the karma from wrong but i isa

993
00:35:17,589 --> 00:35:15,440
comes from it it's like a chinese

994
00:35:19,430 --> 00:35:17,599
initiative is that correct

995
00:35:21,990 --> 00:35:19,440
oh i couldn't correct you on that we

996
00:35:23,270 --> 00:35:22,000
could pause it and pretend we knew but

997
00:35:25,270 --> 00:35:23,280
we'll just have to find that one out

998
00:35:26,710 --> 00:35:25,280
separately but

999
00:35:28,790 --> 00:35:26,720
was that not one of the rumors at the

1000
00:35:31,190 --> 00:35:28,800
time was that china wanted to bring this

1001
00:35:33,270 --> 00:35:31,200
to the un because they saw

1002
00:35:35,270 --> 00:35:33,280
the you know the control the us had on

1003
00:35:36,790 --> 00:35:35,280
the subject they wanted to wrestle some

1004
00:35:38,470 --> 00:35:36,800
of that back

1005
00:35:41,430 --> 00:35:38,480
yeah and i mean that that's what i was

1006
00:35:43,750 --> 00:35:41,440
gonna suggest you know you you can see

1007
00:35:44,790 --> 00:35:43,760
the the arm wrestle already playing out

1008
00:35:48,630 --> 00:35:44,800
and

1009
00:35:52,150 --> 00:35:50,230
you know they they have their reasons

1010
00:35:53,589 --> 00:35:52,160
and they both feel justified but we we

1011
00:35:56,069 --> 00:35:53,599
know there's kind of something more

1012
00:35:58,150 --> 00:35:56,079
insidious underneath that you know no no

1013
00:36:00,230 --> 00:35:58,160
one makes a nuclear bomb and uses it

1014
00:36:01,510 --> 00:36:00,240
just for energy they have to use it to

1015
00:36:03,829 --> 00:36:01,520
fight right

1016
00:36:05,910 --> 00:36:03,839
well uh let's get to dave's questions on

1017
00:36:08,390 --> 00:36:05,920
this and his thoughts dan dave wants to

1018
00:36:10,310 --> 00:36:08,400
know do we think that project titan is

1019
00:36:12,390 --> 00:36:10,320
potentially part of a coordinated

1020
00:36:15,910 --> 00:36:12,400
strategy that louis lozando and chris

1021
00:36:19,270 --> 00:36:17,270
i mean it's

1022
00:36:20,150 --> 00:36:19,280
it's one of the gears right

1023
00:36:22,150 --> 00:36:20,160
um

1024
00:36:24,230 --> 00:36:22,160
i i don't know if people have heard

1025
00:36:27,990 --> 00:36:24,240
lou talk about the gear shifts and the

1026
00:36:29,990 --> 00:36:28,000
the five pillars of emphasis but the the

1027
00:36:31,510 --> 00:36:30,000
international conversation and this part

1028
00:36:32,950 --> 00:36:31,520
is certainly

1029
00:36:35,589 --> 00:36:32,960
certainly part of the plan that was

1030
00:36:36,390 --> 00:36:35,599
considered by lou and chris mallon early

1031
00:36:38,390 --> 00:36:36,400
on

1032
00:36:40,230 --> 00:36:38,400
i you know they're smart people i can't

1033
00:36:41,589 --> 00:36:40,240
imagine they they just considered the

1034
00:36:43,510 --> 00:36:41,599
usa you know

1035
00:36:44,790 --> 00:36:43,520
yeah and that san marino event isn't

1036
00:36:46,390 --> 00:36:44,800
something that happened over the last

1037
00:36:47,510 --> 00:36:46,400
couple of months or weeks back in

1038
00:36:49,829 --> 00:36:47,520
february

1039
00:36:51,990 --> 00:36:49,839
louie elizondo was on with sean cahill

1040
00:36:55,030 --> 00:36:52,000
who is a friend of our show as well hi

1041
00:36:57,270 --> 00:36:55,040
to sean and uh on rhines breg somewhere

1042
00:36:59,430 --> 00:36:57,280
in the skies and lou mentioned right at

1043
00:37:01,510 --> 00:36:59,440
the end of that particular interview

1044
00:37:03,750 --> 00:37:01,520
that there was potentially international

1045
00:37:04,870 --> 00:37:03,760
efforts coming and we should keep an eye

1046
00:37:06,310 --> 00:37:04,880
on this

1047
00:37:08,069 --> 00:37:06,320
this is what he was talking about and

1048
00:37:10,710 --> 00:37:08,079
that was back in february he dropped a

1049
00:37:13,109 --> 00:37:10,720
hint on that so this stuff has been in

1050
00:37:14,950 --> 00:37:13,119
the works for quite some time it doesn't

1051
00:37:16,870 --> 00:37:14,960
just happen over weeks or you know a

1052
00:37:19,750 --> 00:37:16,880
couple of months of pressure

1053
00:37:21,510 --> 00:37:19,760
or are people chatting online

1054
00:37:23,750 --> 00:37:21,520
this is stuff that's going on in the

1055
00:37:26,230 --> 00:37:23,760
background constantly and i think again

1056
00:37:27,829 --> 00:37:26,240
like so many have mentioned there are we

1057
00:37:29,270 --> 00:37:27,839
talk about senator harry reid and the

1058
00:37:30,630 --> 00:37:29,280
work he's done over the years that's

1059
00:37:32,230 --> 00:37:30,640
been very public

1060
00:37:34,069 --> 00:37:32,240
that's probably five percent of the work

1061
00:37:36,550 --> 00:37:34,079
he's done in total because everything

1062
00:37:39,030 --> 00:37:36,560
else goes on behind the scenes and no

1063
00:37:40,790 --> 00:37:39,040
doubt people like harry reid get knocked

1064
00:37:42,870 --> 00:37:40,800
down a lot and have to get back up from

1065
00:37:44,950 --> 00:37:42,880
it and i can only imagine people behind

1066
00:37:46,710 --> 00:37:44,960
the scenes have lost their political

1067
00:37:48,470 --> 00:37:46,720
careers

1068
00:37:50,230 --> 00:37:48,480
because of this subject and the way

1069
00:37:52,069 --> 00:37:50,240
they've tried to approach it and get out

1070
00:37:53,510 --> 00:37:52,079
there so we can only appreciate and hope

1071
00:37:55,109 --> 00:37:53,520
there's a time we can thank those sort

1072
00:37:56,550 --> 00:37:55,119
of people as well but

1073
00:37:58,870 --> 00:37:56,560
for me yeah

1074
00:38:00,550 --> 00:37:58,880
i think louis lozando and chris melon

1075
00:38:02,470 --> 00:38:00,560
are some of the the faces of this

1076
00:38:03,910 --> 00:38:02,480
movement and i can get people can get

1077
00:38:05,430 --> 00:38:03,920
sick of their names being mentioned but

1078
00:38:06,390 --> 00:38:05,440
it's really hard not to in a modern

1079
00:38:08,790 --> 00:38:06,400
setting

1080
00:38:10,630 --> 00:38:08,800
to not talk about them as much as 30

1081
00:38:13,750 --> 00:38:10,640
years ago when you talk to ufos everyone

1082
00:38:15,829 --> 00:38:13,760
mentions roswell it's just what you do

1083
00:38:17,589 --> 00:38:15,839
i feel there are probably others

1084
00:38:19,589 --> 00:38:17,599
involved well there definitely are

1085
00:38:21,510 --> 00:38:19,599
others involved whose names you don't

1086
00:38:23,510 --> 00:38:21,520
hear of or don't hear of yet

1087
00:38:25,190 --> 00:38:23,520
that will come to the forum as this

1088
00:38:28,390 --> 00:38:25,200
topic moves forward

1089
00:38:30,310 --> 00:38:28,400
um dave also mentioned do you think if

1090
00:38:32,390 --> 00:38:30,320
successful it will outflank the

1091
00:38:34,950 --> 00:38:32,400
non-disclosure elements attempting to

1092
00:38:37,109 --> 00:38:34,960
suppress and gain back control of the

1093
00:38:39,589 --> 00:38:37,119
uap narrative by making it an

1094
00:38:41,190 --> 00:38:39,599
international effort

1095
00:38:42,630 --> 00:38:41,200
yeah i mean

1096
00:38:44,950 --> 00:38:42,640
that that's the other thing about

1097
00:38:46,790 --> 00:38:44,960
spreading the the efforts instead of it

1098
00:38:48,470 --> 00:38:46,800
being focused in one country is that if

1099
00:38:50,470 --> 00:38:48,480
one country decides yeah we don't want

1100
00:38:51,990 --> 00:38:50,480
to be a part of this it's still going on

1101
00:38:53,910 --> 00:38:52,000
without them you know they're just going

1102
00:38:56,470 --> 00:38:53,920
to be left behind and i'm hoping that

1103
00:38:59,109 --> 00:38:56,480
that's kind of the position that the uk

1104
00:39:00,790 --> 00:38:59,119
ends up in where they'll they'll be last

1105
00:39:02,550 --> 00:39:00,800
and then once they recognize that

1106
00:39:04,950 --> 00:39:02,560
everyone else is kind of going for it

1107
00:39:07,910 --> 00:39:04,960
they'll go fast you know

1108
00:39:10,710 --> 00:39:07,920
dan why doesn't another country that we

1109
00:39:12,870 --> 00:39:10,720
have let's just pick one out mexico

1110
00:39:15,589 --> 00:39:12,880
why doesn't mexico come out and disclose

1111
00:39:17,589 --> 00:39:15,599
what they know about uaps

1112
00:39:20,230 --> 00:39:17,599
well even even if they don't have the

1113
00:39:22,069 --> 00:39:20,240
tech or you know like maybe the big big

1114
00:39:23,349 --> 00:39:22,079
events that one of those governments

1115
00:39:26,150 --> 00:39:23,359
could just come out and say you know

1116
00:39:27,589 --> 00:39:26,160
what yep we have objects our craft

1117
00:39:30,069 --> 00:39:27,599
coming from what we believe is outer

1118
00:39:32,390 --> 00:39:30,079
space from somewhere else visiting or

1119
00:39:34,710 --> 00:39:32,400
have visited earth and and that would be

1120
00:39:36,710 --> 00:39:34,720
at lay that on the table and

1121
00:39:38,390 --> 00:39:36,720
leave that for others to deal with

1122
00:39:40,230 --> 00:39:38,400
yeah yeah i mean i don't know about

1123
00:39:43,190 --> 00:39:40,240
mexico specifically but i know that the

1124
00:39:44,950 --> 00:39:43,200
us isn't first uh france has had an

1125
00:39:47,510 --> 00:39:44,960
investigative team for a long time now

1126
00:39:49,750 --> 00:39:47,520
with the produce reports no i mean one

1127
00:39:51,349 --> 00:39:49,760
of those governments

1128
00:39:53,510 --> 00:39:51,359
um

1129
00:39:54,870 --> 00:39:53,520
there's a lot that kind of gets reported

1130
00:39:57,349 --> 00:39:54,880
around the world but there's no way for

1131
00:39:59,430 --> 00:39:57,359
it to kind of go you know no

1132
00:40:01,270 --> 00:39:59,440
no i don't mean that that's that's still

1133
00:40:03,430 --> 00:40:01,280
reporting and that's still let's

1134
00:40:05,589 --> 00:40:03,440
investigate or let's still look at cases

1135
00:40:08,390 --> 00:40:05,599
or i mean one of these governments comes

1136
00:40:11,430 --> 00:40:08,400
out with no f spots or maybes and tells

1137
00:40:12,230 --> 00:40:11,440
people we know that aliens exist

1138
00:40:14,069 --> 00:40:12,240
or

1139
00:40:16,870 --> 00:40:14,079
entities exist that are not human and

1140
00:40:19,109 --> 00:40:16,880
they visit or are from here etc what why

1141
00:40:20,790 --> 00:40:19,119
hasn't that happened yet not reporting

1142
00:40:22,630 --> 00:40:20,800
and not little bodies and stuff like one

1143
00:40:24,710 --> 00:40:22,640
of these governments could have done

1144
00:40:27,670 --> 00:40:24,720
that couldn't they

1145
00:40:29,829 --> 00:40:27,680
uh yeah i mean i suppose so but again

1146
00:40:31,670 --> 00:40:29,839
without kind of knowing what we're

1147
00:40:33,510 --> 00:40:31,680
dealing with it's hard to talk about it

1148
00:40:35,910 --> 00:40:33,520
and no one wants to say i don't know

1149
00:40:37,990 --> 00:40:35,920
right everyone wants to kind of say oh

1150
00:40:40,390 --> 00:40:38,000
we encounter in the sky and we shut it

1151
00:40:42,390 --> 00:40:40,400
down and we've now got this magical

1152
00:40:43,990 --> 00:40:42,400
bonus that that we earn or you know

1153
00:40:46,550 --> 00:40:44,000
something like that they don't want to

1154
00:40:48,550 --> 00:40:46,560
just say our country is completely

1155
00:40:52,390 --> 00:40:48,560
outclassed by something that we can't

1156
00:40:55,109 --> 00:40:52,400
even identify in the sky you know

1157
00:40:56,470 --> 00:40:55,119
a blind spot that gets exploited by

1158
00:40:58,950 --> 00:40:56,480
adversaries

1159
00:41:00,309 --> 00:40:58,960
okay so so you're taking it back to

1160
00:41:02,710 --> 00:41:00,319
and we've discussed this

1161
00:41:04,630 --> 00:41:02,720
previously that it would be almost an

1162
00:41:06,870 --> 00:41:04,640
embarrassment for any country to come

1163
00:41:09,190 --> 00:41:06,880
out and have the discussion we all think

1164
00:41:11,670 --> 00:41:09,200
they would have but have to answer a lot

1165
00:41:12,790 --> 00:41:11,680
of press conferences questions with

1166
00:41:14,309 --> 00:41:12,800
we don't know

1167
00:41:16,150 --> 00:41:14,319
we're not sure

1168
00:41:18,470 --> 00:41:16,160
maybe and they would just look really

1169
00:41:20,790 --> 00:41:18,480
silly so it's better to just not see

1170
00:41:21,990 --> 00:41:20,800
anything than come out and give us 10 of

1171
00:41:24,230 --> 00:41:22,000
of what they know

1172
00:41:25,910 --> 00:41:24,240
yeah probably i mean

1173
00:41:27,190 --> 00:41:25,920
like i say we'll probably see a bunch

1174
00:41:28,550 --> 00:41:27,200
more countries who have been quite in

1175
00:41:30,790 --> 00:41:28,560
the past starting to talk about this

1176
00:41:32,470 --> 00:41:30,800
we've already had you know japan uh

1177
00:41:36,230 --> 00:41:32,480
china have a task force and they're

1178
00:41:38,150 --> 00:41:36,240
applying ai and the same stuff um

1179
00:41:40,790 --> 00:41:38,160
so it's just a case of someone going

1180
00:41:42,309 --> 00:41:40,800
first and kind of having that weight to

1181
00:41:43,910 --> 00:41:42,319
what they're saying instead of it just

1182
00:41:46,390 --> 00:41:43,920
being stories you know mexico could have

1183
00:41:47,510 --> 00:41:46,400
come out 15 years ago and said you know

1184
00:41:49,670 --> 00:41:47,520
we saw something off the coast

1185
00:41:51,829 --> 00:41:49,680
california and there were

1186
00:41:53,829 --> 00:41:51,839
nimitz ships there and carrier fleets

1187
00:41:55,190 --> 00:41:53,839
and blah blah blah and the us would have

1188
00:41:56,870 --> 00:41:55,200
just denied it and they would have

1189
00:41:58,710 --> 00:41:56,880
looked crazy and just lost a lot of

1190
00:42:00,710 --> 00:41:58,720
respect around the world so

1191
00:42:02,870 --> 00:42:00,720
i i think it's definitely something to

1192
00:42:04,790 --> 00:42:02,880
do with that and i suppose these

1193
00:42:06,230 --> 00:42:04,800
conversations to get to that level have

1194
00:42:07,349 --> 00:42:06,240
to bubble up from somewhere to the

1195
00:42:10,150 --> 00:42:07,359
surface

1196
00:42:12,309 --> 00:42:10,160
and how many levels of bureaucracy does

1197
00:42:14,390 --> 00:42:12,319
that have to go through to go from

1198
00:42:16,790 --> 00:42:14,400
you know me and you talking in the halls

1199
00:42:19,349 --> 00:42:16,800
of some you know government building

1200
00:42:21,270 --> 00:42:19,359
to going to a group and in a committee

1201
00:42:23,349 --> 00:42:21,280
and then someone takes that upper level

1202
00:42:25,030 --> 00:42:23,359
and then it goes to a motion and then it

1203
00:42:27,270 --> 00:42:25,040
yeah so it would be hard to get there so

1204
00:42:29,589 --> 00:42:27,280
it's not just as easy as i mean lou had

1205
00:42:31,510 --> 00:42:29,599
to literally resign he was working on

1206
00:42:33,430 --> 00:42:31,520
the inside and you know

1207
00:42:37,829 --> 00:42:33,440
ross kind of emphasized how important

1208
00:42:40,069 --> 00:42:37,839
lou was in the intelligence community um

1209
00:42:43,109 --> 00:42:40,079
so if he wasn't able to kind of get up

1210
00:42:45,109 --> 00:42:43,119
those ranks and had to resign to to

1211
00:42:46,950 --> 00:42:45,119
get his resignation and the the bit in

1212
00:42:48,230 --> 00:42:46,960
the letter saying you know i i can't do

1213
00:42:50,309 --> 00:42:48,240
my job with you guys treating the

1214
00:42:52,870 --> 00:42:50,319
subject this way

1215
00:42:58,550 --> 00:42:55,109
the the likelihood that

1216
00:43:00,150 --> 00:42:58,560
you know any one person or someone less

1217
00:43:02,069 --> 00:43:00,160
kind of you know

1218
00:43:03,430 --> 00:43:02,079
big than the us

1219
00:43:06,069 --> 00:43:03,440
uh

1220
00:43:08,870 --> 00:43:06,079
it just wouldn't lend any legitimacy the

1221
00:43:10,150 --> 00:43:08,880
the u.s kind of had to go first i think

1222
00:43:11,430 --> 00:43:10,160
uh just because they're everyone's big

1223
00:43:13,349 --> 00:43:11,440
brother right

1224
00:43:14,950 --> 00:43:13,359
yeah and you know what that was dave's

1225
00:43:16,950 --> 00:43:14,960
third point uh he wanted to know do you

1226
00:43:19,349 --> 00:43:16,960
think the us will feel the need to jump

1227
00:43:21,270 --> 00:43:19,359
on this bus and engage with the un

1228
00:43:22,950 --> 00:43:21,280
process and could that lead to a

1229
00:43:25,430 --> 00:43:22,960
transition to a more international

1230
00:43:27,750 --> 00:43:25,440
approach to the phenomenon

1231
00:43:29,990 --> 00:43:27,760
yeah definitely that that would be the

1232
00:43:31,750 --> 00:43:30,000
ideal way for this to go right

1233
00:43:33,589 --> 00:43:31,760
i don't what i don't want to see is for

1234
00:43:36,390 --> 00:43:33,599
the us to kind of make this department

1235
00:43:38,470 --> 00:43:36,400
of anomaly resolution and then

1236
00:43:40,309 --> 00:43:38,480
for that to just become a close shop you

1237
00:43:43,190 --> 00:43:40,319
know it becomes a i know maybe they have

1238
00:43:44,790 --> 00:43:43,200
a cool building and it just becomes

1239
00:43:46,710 --> 00:43:44,800
you know kind of how we how we think of

1240
00:43:48,069 --> 00:43:46,720
mi5 here you know just that cool

1241
00:43:49,910 --> 00:43:48,079
building on the side of the thames where

1242
00:43:52,550 --> 00:43:49,920
we know they do cool stuff but no one

1243
00:43:55,109 --> 00:43:52,560
knows anything about what goes on there

1244
00:43:56,309 --> 00:43:55,119
this is a an issue that all of us need

1245
00:43:58,630 --> 00:43:56,319
the data on

1246
00:44:00,390 --> 00:43:58,640
well hopefully uh paulo gazadi who is

1247
00:44:02,230 --> 00:44:00,400
one of the leads of project titan will

1248
00:44:03,990 --> 00:44:02,240
be coming on the main podcast soon so

1249
00:44:05,430 --> 00:44:04,000
look out for that one i mean uh

1250
00:44:07,349 --> 00:44:05,440
discussions with him just now over a

1251
00:44:09,670 --> 00:44:07,359
date and time to get him on to talk a

1252
00:44:11,589 --> 00:44:09,680
bit more so again thanks to tim for that

1253
00:44:13,990 --> 00:44:11,599
interview on his piece as well check

1254
00:44:15,750 --> 00:44:14,000
that out at thedebrief.org

1255
00:44:17,349 --> 00:44:15,760
dan had one more listener question

1256
00:44:19,270 --> 00:44:17,359
before we move on to the last segment of

1257
00:44:22,950 --> 00:44:19,280
the show to look at a bit of footage and

1258
00:44:24,790 --> 00:44:22,960
it was from andy again not me uh dan

1259
00:44:27,589 --> 00:44:24,800
mentioned in the latest podcast update

1260
00:44:30,470 --> 00:44:27,599
that the new us bill will require intel

1261
00:44:33,430 --> 00:44:30,480
agencies and branches of defense to

1262
00:44:35,589 --> 00:44:33,440
provide info into the new uap office

1263
00:44:37,910 --> 00:44:35,599
does dan think it will also require the

1264
00:44:40,390 --> 00:44:37,920
same of the us department of energy the

1265
00:44:42,950 --> 00:44:40,400
info they hold could be key this is

1266
00:44:45,270 --> 00:44:42,960
something done that tim on my very first

1267
00:44:46,069 --> 00:44:45,280
interview with him back in in may last

1268
00:44:47,109 --> 00:44:46,079
year

1269
00:44:48,630 --> 00:44:47,119
mentioned

1270
00:44:50,309 --> 00:44:48,640
on that podcast and i don't think he'd

1271
00:44:52,309 --> 00:44:50,319
been talked about too many times at that

1272
00:44:53,990 --> 00:44:52,319
point at all that the department of

1273
00:44:56,150 --> 00:44:54,000
energy is the place where tim would

1274
00:44:57,430 --> 00:44:56,160
before you're requesting stuff from and

1275
00:44:59,349 --> 00:44:57,440
that's where a lot of this key

1276
00:45:01,910 --> 00:44:59,359
information could be held

1277
00:45:03,030 --> 00:45:01,920
yeah absolutely um you know history goes

1278
00:45:04,710 --> 00:45:03,040
back i think they were called something

1279
00:45:06,870 --> 00:45:04,720
else the atomic energy commission i

1280
00:45:08,069 --> 00:45:06,880
think way back when yeah um

1281
00:45:10,230 --> 00:45:08,079
and they've changed their names a few

1282
00:45:12,470 --> 00:45:10,240
times but they've always been this

1283
00:45:15,349 --> 00:45:12,480
separate department you know they're not

1284
00:45:17,349 --> 00:45:15,359
under the dod ig um or anything like

1285
00:45:19,990 --> 00:45:17,359
that it's kind of its own separate thing

1286
00:45:23,030 --> 00:45:20,000
and they actually look after their own

1287
00:45:25,030 --> 00:45:23,040
kind of classification process so

1288
00:45:27,990 --> 00:45:25,040
you know it's kind of like if they do

1289
00:45:29,750 --> 00:45:28,000
have cool toys there um then they're the

1290
00:45:31,589 --> 00:45:29,760
ones that get to decide whether they

1291
00:45:33,990 --> 00:45:31,599
share those with us or not and i i can't

1292
00:45:36,550 --> 00:45:34,000
imagine they would um

1293
00:45:39,430 --> 00:45:36,560
but that's actually shifting from

1294
00:45:43,270 --> 00:45:39,440
uh next year i think it's february maybe

1295
00:45:45,750 --> 00:45:43,280
april um but they actually

1296
00:45:48,150 --> 00:45:45,760
have proper oversight from then onwards

1297
00:45:50,309 --> 00:45:48,160
which which kind of makes me curious

1298
00:45:51,910 --> 00:45:50,319
because the timing is interesting right

1299
00:45:53,910 --> 00:45:51,920
um if all this stuff is going to start

1300
00:45:55,589 --> 00:45:53,920
coming out and that's one of the sources

1301
00:45:57,349 --> 00:45:55,599
maybe they have some paperwork that

1302
00:45:58,950 --> 00:45:57,359
shows yeah once we did have something

1303
00:46:00,710 --> 00:45:58,960
anomalous but

1304
00:46:02,150 --> 00:46:00,720
we handed it over to one of the private

1305
00:46:03,349 --> 00:46:02,160
companies and we haven't seen it since

1306
00:46:05,109 --> 00:46:03,359
you know

1307
00:46:07,270 --> 00:46:05,119
or is that enough time between them and

1308
00:46:09,270 --> 00:46:07,280
then to get rid of that paperwork that

1309
00:46:10,630 --> 00:46:09,280
would show that sort of stuff

1310
00:46:11,829 --> 00:46:10,640
i mean it might have just been lost as

1311
00:46:14,470 --> 00:46:11,839
well you know it doesn't even take

1312
00:46:15,750 --> 00:46:14,480
anything malicious here um if it went

1313
00:46:17,109 --> 00:46:15,760
into private industry they're going to

1314
00:46:18,870 --> 00:46:17,119
be looking after it they're going to be

1315
00:46:20,710 --> 00:46:18,880
doing their experiments and stuff on it

1316
00:46:23,109 --> 00:46:20,720
trying to figure it out but we all know

1317
00:46:25,030 --> 00:46:23,119
what government paperwork is like

1318
00:46:28,630 --> 00:46:25,040
even in the modern day things go missing

1319
00:46:31,190 --> 00:46:28,640
stuff gets left on trains in the uk

1320
00:46:33,750 --> 00:46:31,200
so yeah it's a bit it's a bit

1321
00:46:37,510 --> 00:46:33,760
lacks um so yeah that paperwork could be

1322
00:46:38,870 --> 00:46:37,520
completely missing um no no mal intent

1323
00:46:40,550 --> 00:46:38,880
required

1324
00:46:42,790 --> 00:46:40,560
then we'll move on to the last segment

1325
00:46:44,470 --> 00:46:42,800
of the show which i'm enjoying already

1326
00:46:47,349 --> 00:46:44,480
because it's the listener footage that

1327
00:46:49,589 --> 00:46:47,359
gets sent into us and this footage is

1328
00:46:54,550 --> 00:46:49,599
from glenn if you want to send us in any

1329
00:46:56,069 --> 00:46:54,560
footage email ufo uap am at gmail.com

1330
00:46:57,589 --> 00:46:56,079
i'll get the ticker running along the

1331
00:46:59,430 --> 00:46:57,599
bottom just now for the last part of the

1332
00:47:01,109 --> 00:46:59,440
show i should have had that on earlier

1333
00:47:02,870 --> 00:47:01,119
ricky mistake

1334
00:47:04,630 --> 00:47:02,880
dan should have told me basically yeah

1335
00:47:05,910 --> 00:47:04,640
um but no i forgot to put that one on

1336
00:47:07,510 --> 00:47:05,920
but then it's all running at the bottom

1337
00:47:08,870 --> 00:47:07,520
now look at that not distracting

1338
00:47:10,630 --> 00:47:08,880
anything yeah

1339
00:47:13,030 --> 00:47:10,640
yeah it's beautiful take take a moment

1340
00:47:15,270 --> 00:47:13,040
breathe breathe in that information

1341
00:47:18,309 --> 00:47:15,280
yeah not uh and dan's knocked his mic as

1342
00:47:20,470 --> 00:47:18,319
well so take a shot um folks this was

1343
00:47:23,829 --> 00:47:20,480
sent in from glenn now glenn filmed us

1344
00:47:26,069 --> 00:47:23,839
with his phone from the iss live camera

1345
00:47:27,990 --> 00:47:26,079
this is one of those guilty pleasures of

1346
00:47:30,870 --> 00:47:28,000
mine now the footage you're not going to

1347
00:47:32,790 --> 00:47:30,880
see a whole lot here or detail

1348
00:47:35,030 --> 00:47:32,800
necessarily and we've got some ideas of

1349
00:47:37,109 --> 00:47:35,040
what it may or may not be but let's add

1350
00:47:39,430 --> 00:47:37,119
into the stream just to check this is

1351
00:47:41,829 --> 00:47:39,440
glenn filming his screen right not

1352
00:47:44,309 --> 00:47:41,839
glenn's face yes glenn was not the

1353
00:47:46,630 --> 00:47:44,319
astronaut filming this yeah so this is

1354
00:47:49,670 --> 00:47:46,640
glenn taking uh some footage from the

1355
00:47:50,950 --> 00:47:49,680
iss live feed so we'll hit play on that

1356
00:47:52,790 --> 00:47:50,960
one

1357
00:47:55,510 --> 00:47:52,800
and what you're going to see

1358
00:47:57,109 --> 00:47:55,520
is the the kind of objects moving along

1359
00:47:58,230 --> 00:47:57,119
there's some dots

1360
00:47:59,510 --> 00:47:58,240
now i

1361
00:48:01,589 --> 00:47:59,520
we have some more footage to show as

1362
00:48:02,870 --> 00:48:01,599
well from this kind of stuff but i think

1363
00:48:05,510 --> 00:48:02,880
this like a little bit of a guilty

1364
00:48:08,069 --> 00:48:05,520
pleasure when you see these like iss or

1365
00:48:10,150 --> 00:48:08,079
nasa footage or any kind of astronaut or

1366
00:48:11,270 --> 00:48:10,160
something taken from space

1367
00:48:13,190 --> 00:48:11,280
dan

1368
00:48:14,870 --> 00:48:13,200
what do you think now glenn's obviously

1369
00:48:17,109 --> 00:48:14,880
wondering are these some kind of craft

1370
00:48:19,109 --> 00:48:17,119
or or something to that elk what are

1371
00:48:22,390 --> 00:48:19,119
your thoughts

1372
00:48:26,230 --> 00:48:23,750
these things we've heard that these

1373
00:48:28,549 --> 00:48:26,240
things enter the earth's atmosphere from

1374
00:48:30,870 --> 00:48:28,559
the ceiling of the radar which is 80 000

1375
00:48:33,829 --> 00:48:30,880
feet um

1376
00:48:36,150 --> 00:48:33,839
so i would be very surprised if

1377
00:48:38,870 --> 00:48:36,160
at least one of these videos

1378
00:48:40,630 --> 00:48:38,880
uh sorry if if all of these videos were

1379
00:48:41,910 --> 00:48:40,640
fake there's got to be one of these out

1380
00:48:44,309 --> 00:48:41,920
there that actually captures something

1381
00:48:46,069 --> 00:48:44,319
anomalous um

1382
00:48:47,990 --> 00:48:46,079
which one of those that is

1383
00:48:49,270 --> 00:48:48,000
is up for of the debate uh because

1384
00:48:51,430 --> 00:48:49,280
there's a lot of stuff in space that

1385
00:48:52,390 --> 00:48:51,440
just looks weird but it isn't that weird

1386
00:48:54,150 --> 00:48:52,400
you know it's just because you're not

1387
00:48:56,230 --> 00:48:54,160
acclimatized to it

1388
00:48:58,870 --> 00:48:56,240
so here's here's a good view of some of

1389
00:49:01,109 --> 00:48:58,880
these lights moving along um or some of

1390
00:49:02,790 --> 00:49:01,119
these objects moving along now at a

1391
00:49:05,030 --> 00:49:02,800
glance especially i don't have the date

1392
00:49:07,990 --> 00:49:05,040
or anything of this but straight away i

1393
00:49:09,829 --> 00:49:08,000
start to think starlink satellites maybe

1394
00:49:10,790 --> 00:49:09,839
possibly it's hard to tell because they

1395
00:49:13,829 --> 00:49:10,800
are just

1396
00:49:16,470 --> 00:49:13,839
dots right yeah you know i mean

1397
00:49:20,630 --> 00:49:16,480
you want to say that

1398
00:49:22,710 --> 00:49:20,640
saucers are something but you can't um

1399
00:49:25,109 --> 00:49:22,720
but that did prompt us again glenn thank

1400
00:49:27,030 --> 00:49:25,119
you for for adding that in and that did

1401
00:49:28,870 --> 00:49:27,040
prompt us to look at some other footage

1402
00:49:30,549 --> 00:49:28,880
and you know what was really frustrating

1403
00:49:33,030 --> 00:49:30,559
dan and i thought we could find it

1404
00:49:34,309 --> 00:49:33,040
really really easily that

1405
00:49:35,910 --> 00:49:34,319
i'm sure we've all done it when you went

1406
00:49:37,670 --> 00:49:35,920
down that rabbit hole online of oh

1407
00:49:39,349 --> 00:49:37,680
here's an interesting video oh and i'll

1408
00:49:41,510 --> 00:49:39,359
watch this one oh and i'll watch this

1409
00:49:43,270 --> 00:49:41,520
one and the ones that youtube

1410
00:49:45,190 --> 00:49:43,280
automatically recommends you are the

1411
00:49:48,710 --> 00:49:45,200
ones you can never find again i've

1412
00:49:51,510 --> 00:49:48,720
watched plenty of these montages of

1413
00:49:54,150 --> 00:49:51,520
nasa filmed footage of ufos etc fleets

1414
00:49:56,150 --> 00:49:54,160
of ufos in space and i couldn't find any

1415
00:49:58,790 --> 00:49:56,160
of the ones i wanted and dan struggled

1416
00:50:00,150 --> 00:49:58,800
as well um because they all seem to be

1417
00:50:02,630 --> 00:50:00,160
replaced

1418
00:50:04,230 --> 00:50:02,640
and this is frustrating but and maybe in

1419
00:50:05,750 --> 00:50:04,240
a good way as well there was a lot of

1420
00:50:08,470 --> 00:50:05,760
videos of the

1421
00:50:10,790 --> 00:50:08,480
the us military ones the nimitz

1422
00:50:12,549 --> 00:50:10,800
princeton the go gimbal go fast the

1423
00:50:14,230 --> 00:50:12,559
carbel footage was there whether people

1424
00:50:15,750 --> 00:50:14,240
are happy with that or not

1425
00:50:16,950 --> 00:50:15,760
there was a lot of the newer stuff so i

1426
00:50:18,790 --> 00:50:16,960
think that at least shows from the

1427
00:50:21,349 --> 00:50:18,800
youtube algorithms that people are

1428
00:50:23,349 --> 00:50:21,359
engaging with the newer stuff yeah and

1429
00:50:25,829 --> 00:50:23,359
the searches were quite loose terms as

1430
00:50:28,069 --> 00:50:25,839
well it was like ufo space you know

1431
00:50:30,069 --> 00:50:28,079
astronaut and that was it and no third

1432
00:50:33,030 --> 00:50:30,079
phase of the moon popped up and that's

1433
00:50:35,190 --> 00:50:33,040
a delightful improvement absolutely so

1434
00:50:37,670 --> 00:50:35,200
i'm going to add the next one in because

1435
00:50:39,190 --> 00:50:37,680
we wanted to talk about this this is a

1436
00:50:42,230 --> 00:50:39,200
probably quite a famous piece of footage

1437
00:50:44,230 --> 00:50:42,240
now and it's you've probably seen

1438
00:50:46,309 --> 00:50:44,240
potentially this already so this is a

1439
00:50:47,990 --> 00:50:46,319
shot of the earth from space you know i

1440
00:50:50,230 --> 00:50:48,000
don't have to tell you that much

1441
00:50:51,910 --> 00:50:50,240
but what you'll see are some objects

1442
00:50:55,750 --> 00:50:51,920
coming into view

1443
00:50:57,430 --> 00:50:55,760
and then moving and changing direction

1444
00:50:59,589 --> 00:50:57,440
now there's a whole lot going on here

1445
00:51:01,829 --> 00:50:59,599
dan but i was talking to you beforehand

1446
00:51:03,829 --> 00:51:01,839
wasn't uh where these objects come into

1447
00:51:05,349 --> 00:51:03,839
view and you normally expect satellites

1448
00:51:08,069 --> 00:51:05,359
and whatnot to

1449
00:51:09,750 --> 00:51:08,079
fly along and go one direction which is

1450
00:51:11,750 --> 00:51:09,760
a lot of stuff that just seems to move

1451
00:51:14,069 --> 00:51:11,760
in one direction however

1452
00:51:16,630 --> 00:51:14,079
here we seem to get a flash of light

1453
00:51:18,630 --> 00:51:16,640
and then the object shoots off a pace

1454
00:51:20,390 --> 00:51:18,640
which we'll see just here

1455
00:51:21,510 --> 00:51:20,400
um has been has been circled within the

1456
00:51:23,510 --> 00:51:21,520
footage

1457
00:51:25,349 --> 00:51:23,520
you normally would not expect a

1458
00:51:27,670 --> 00:51:25,359
satellite to do that but you said

1459
00:51:28,870 --> 00:51:27,680
otherwise to me dan didn't you

1460
00:51:31,109 --> 00:51:28,880
yeah i mean

1461
00:51:31,910 --> 00:51:31,119
the thing is that's a fast speed

1462
00:51:34,470 --> 00:51:31,920
so

1463
00:51:36,230 --> 00:51:34,480
those satellites can maneuver you know

1464
00:51:38,549 --> 00:51:36,240
they kind of have a thrusters and things

1465
00:51:40,710 --> 00:51:38,559
like that that they can just

1466
00:51:41,670 --> 00:51:40,720
go left instead of right and so on so

1467
00:51:44,069 --> 00:51:41,680
forth

1468
00:51:47,270 --> 00:51:44,079
you you generally wouldn't see them move

1469
00:51:49,430 --> 00:51:47,280
that quickly uh that that's astoundingly

1470
00:51:52,069 --> 00:51:49,440
fast you know we we have we you can see

1471
00:51:54,549 --> 00:51:52,079
the curvature of the earth there yeah um

1472
00:51:56,470 --> 00:51:54,559
that's a large area that's a site i mean

1473
00:51:59,430 --> 00:51:56,480
if that is a ship that's a sizable ship

1474
00:52:01,349 --> 00:51:59,440
as well um

1475
00:52:02,470 --> 00:52:01,359
and yeah it just it holds ass quite

1476
00:52:04,150 --> 00:52:02,480
frankly

1477
00:52:06,790 --> 00:52:04,160
yeah and they shoot off like and there's

1478
00:52:09,270 --> 00:52:06,800
the the flash just beforehand as well

1479
00:52:12,150 --> 00:52:09,280
and then of course you see the object

1480
00:52:13,349 --> 00:52:12,160
belt off at an incredible speed

1481
00:52:15,430 --> 00:52:13,359
what are your thoughts and then if you

1482
00:52:17,349 --> 00:52:15,440
had to again go on the fence on this one

1483
00:52:19,990 --> 00:52:17,359
is that something anomalous shooting off

1484
00:52:23,190 --> 00:52:20,000
into space i'm i'm going to go not on

1485
00:52:25,670 --> 00:52:23,200
the fence with this one i'm going to go

1486
00:52:27,750 --> 00:52:25,680
if i wanted to kind of

1487
00:52:29,589 --> 00:52:27,760
indulge and kind of say okay what are we

1488
00:52:30,870 --> 00:52:29,599
looking at here let's you know that's a

1489
00:52:33,109 --> 00:52:30,880
ufo it

1490
00:52:34,549 --> 00:52:33,119
moves at a crazy speed we we don't have

1491
00:52:36,309 --> 00:52:34,559
anything in space that can change

1492
00:52:38,069 --> 00:52:36,319
direction that fast

1493
00:52:40,549 --> 00:52:38,079
um

1494
00:52:41,990 --> 00:52:40,559
it looks to me like the ufo comes in is

1495
00:52:46,150 --> 00:52:42,000
detected

1496
00:52:48,309 --> 00:52:46,160
something is fired and then it avoids

1497
00:52:50,150 --> 00:52:48,319
and that's kind of the the

1498
00:52:51,990 --> 00:52:50,160
more out there theory of this right is

1499
00:52:53,670 --> 00:52:52,000
that that's what's filmed

1500
00:52:55,270 --> 00:52:53,680
and do you think there's that chance

1501
00:52:57,430 --> 00:52:55,280
that we do already have some sort of

1502
00:52:58,630 --> 00:52:57,440
defense system set up against some of

1503
00:53:00,549 --> 00:52:58,640
these objects

1504
00:53:02,390 --> 00:53:00,559
i'd be very surprised if we didn't

1505
00:53:04,630 --> 00:53:02,400
because even

1506
00:53:06,309 --> 00:53:04,640
a rudimentary defense you know we don't

1507
00:53:08,790 --> 00:53:06,319
need these full-blown force field from

1508
00:53:11,510 --> 00:53:08,800
star trek to mount a defense we we've

1509
00:53:14,470 --> 00:53:11,520
heard the um i forget the gentleman's

1510
00:53:17,109 --> 00:53:14,480
name in unidentified spoke about

1511
00:53:19,670 --> 00:53:17,119
being able to use depleted uh plutonium

1512
00:53:21,910 --> 00:53:19,680
shells to to hit them out of the sky

1513
00:53:23,109 --> 00:53:21,920
um yeah from the italian conference yeah

1514
00:53:25,750 --> 00:53:23,119
that's right

1515
00:53:27,670 --> 00:53:25,760
there's no way if if those guys know

1516
00:53:30,710 --> 00:53:27,680
that and they don't have access to all

1517
00:53:32,470 --> 00:53:30,720
these like amazing technologies over the

1518
00:53:34,309 --> 00:53:32,480
decades since you know this kind of

1519
00:53:37,190 --> 00:53:34,319
phenomenon has been

1520
00:53:40,390 --> 00:53:37,200
more widely spoken about um

1521
00:53:42,790 --> 00:53:40,400
then yeah i would expect some kind of

1522
00:53:46,390 --> 00:53:42,800
space fence or you know something like

1523
00:53:47,750 --> 00:53:46,400
that to sense and hit them away whatever

1524
00:53:49,750 --> 00:53:47,760
they're using

1525
00:53:51,510 --> 00:53:49,760
dan just time for one more quick

1526
00:53:53,829 --> 00:53:51,520
question before we finish up from

1527
00:53:55,109 --> 00:53:53,839
genocis who's one of the patreons and if

1528
00:53:57,109 --> 00:53:55,119
you sign up to the patreon you get

1529
00:53:58,950 --> 00:53:57,119
access to the discord server where

1530
00:54:01,349 --> 00:53:58,960
gnosis is always in there in the various

1531
00:54:02,870 --> 00:54:01,359
different threads as well um from your

1532
00:54:04,790 --> 00:54:02,880
last roundup you spoke a lot of

1533
00:54:06,790 --> 00:54:04,800
celebrities going into space and

1534
00:54:09,190 --> 00:54:06,800
eventually joe public and this being the

1535
00:54:11,670 --> 00:54:09,200
reason to start a soft disclosure as

1536
00:54:14,549 --> 00:54:11,680
they would all spot ufos but between all

1537
00:54:16,069 --> 00:54:14,559
the crews of the mir and iss we really

1538
00:54:17,750 --> 00:54:16,079
have very little coming from the

1539
00:54:19,829 --> 00:54:17,760
astronaut community

1540
00:54:23,030 --> 00:54:19,839
taking out edgar mitchell as this

1541
00:54:24,950 --> 00:54:23,040
because of nda's personal sense thing or

1542
00:54:26,950 --> 00:54:24,960
are they just not seeing these things

1543
00:54:28,950 --> 00:54:26,960
coming from space

1544
00:54:30,549 --> 00:54:28,960
well you've got to remember that every

1545
00:54:33,030 --> 00:54:30,559
second you're in space it's trying to

1546
00:54:35,990 --> 00:54:33,040
kill you right it's not an environment

1547
00:54:37,910 --> 00:54:36,000
that anyone can survive in naturally so

1548
00:54:39,990 --> 00:54:37,920
anyone that's up there except for when

1549
00:54:42,470 --> 00:54:40,000
they're sleeping they probably have some

1550
00:54:45,030 --> 00:54:42,480
very very vital jobs that keep everyone

1551
00:54:46,870 --> 00:54:45,040
alive so in terms of how often they get

1552
00:54:48,789 --> 00:54:46,880
to just go and you know stargaze out of

1553
00:54:50,390 --> 00:54:48,799
the window i can't imagine it's that

1554
00:54:52,069 --> 00:54:50,400
often um

1555
00:54:54,710 --> 00:54:52,079
you know they do have cameras up there

1556
00:54:56,710 --> 00:54:54,720
and they are directed to take pictures

1557
00:54:58,789 --> 00:54:56,720
um and things like that but it would be

1558
00:55:01,670 --> 00:54:58,799
of specific things you know they're not

1559
00:55:03,109 --> 00:55:01,680
just like if you and i were on the space

1560
00:55:05,109 --> 00:55:03,119
station we would just sit by the window

1561
00:55:06,390 --> 00:55:05,119
right just staring out the whole time um

1562
00:55:08,309 --> 00:55:06,400
that's where we'd have our meals that's

1563
00:55:10,309 --> 00:55:08,319
where we'd sleep but they they don't get

1564
00:55:12,150 --> 00:55:10,319
to do that unfortunately i've got a

1565
00:55:13,910 --> 00:55:12,160
phobia of heights i would be there

1566
00:55:15,589 --> 00:55:13,920
rocking back and forward or just

1567
00:55:17,109 --> 00:55:15,599
floating in mid-air back and forward

1568
00:55:19,829 --> 00:55:17,119
crying my tears

1569
00:55:21,750 --> 00:55:19,839
as they float up to the ceiling and the

1570
00:55:23,430 --> 00:55:21,760
idea that when you're up there it feels

1571
00:55:25,349 --> 00:55:23,440
like falling all the time as well it

1572
00:55:27,030 --> 00:55:25,359
would just yeah

1573
00:55:28,470 --> 00:55:27,040
yeah listen um

1574
00:55:30,069 --> 00:55:28,480
folks we had some more footage that we

1575
00:55:32,150 --> 00:55:30,079
couldn't get to this week but we will

1576
00:55:34,069 --> 00:55:32,160
get into next week's show next week

1577
00:55:36,150 --> 00:55:34,079
we'll be we will be joined by author

1578
00:55:38,870 --> 00:55:36,160
graeme rendell a friend of ours i'm part

1579
00:55:40,549 --> 00:55:38,880
of uap media uk check that out he is

1580
00:55:43,910 --> 00:55:40,559
going to be discussing his book on the

1581
00:55:46,150 --> 00:55:43,920
foo fighters of world war ii if you get

1582
00:55:48,230 --> 00:55:46,160
a chance our new interview this week on

1583
00:55:50,630 --> 00:55:48,240
the podcast as with the wonderful kurt

1584
00:55:53,030 --> 00:55:50,640
jaimongo from the theories of everything

1585
00:55:56,069 --> 00:55:53,040
channel on youtube cut's an incredible

1586
00:55:59,109 --> 00:55:56,079
guy really intense massive intellectual

1587
00:56:00,789 --> 00:55:59,119
and new to the ufo subject but coming in

1588
00:56:03,190 --> 00:56:00,799
with a really fresh and unique

1589
00:56:04,630 --> 00:56:03,200
perspective and very keen to learn so

1590
00:56:06,630 --> 00:56:04,640
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1591
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content until then dan thank you for

1597
00:56:19,349 --> 00:56:17,359
joining me

1598
00:56:21,190 --> 00:56:19,359
thank you as always it's uh it's great

1599
00:56:23,030 --> 00:56:21,200
to be on kgri

1600
00:56:25,270 --> 00:56:23,040
and thanks everyone for watching see you

1601
00:56:27,510 --> 00:56:25,280
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